Various thoughts; Part 2 – No going back

I think I always had a rebellious streak to me … Maybe not so much rebellious, but often needing to know the justification for things. If that idea or position could not be justified, I couldn’t respect it.

I remember how much trouble I gave my parents with my dad telling me I couldn’t do or have something, and the chaos I would create, the disrespect I would show him because … Well, those are just sad memories to me now. He grew to become one of the greatest men in my life, the one I respect the most. He could have thrown me out, and rightly so. The love he gave, the commitment he showed … Irreplaceable! Even though he remains a Christian, he never cast me away for rejecting his doctrine, his “Jesus.”

But he was, and he is, my dad.

I, myself, grew up. I started looking for justification for other ideas and positions, even my own. As I said, I left chri … No, I’ll be more blunt. I rejected the messiahship claims of Jesus and the holy book and worldview based on it. But even from that time, before that time, I did not look at government with any respect. I didn’t vote. I didn’t willingly have anything to do with it. My logic then was this: I was committed to God and the government made laws contrary with God’s law and did immoral acts, ergo I don’t respect it.

But even with that logic, I didn’t get as serious about it as when I learned about the seven laws. You see, to me, Christianity is not a religion of “secular” law, the erroneously called “law of the land.” It was just a belief, a passion, an individual lifestyle. I accept the dead Galilean as a personal saviour and that’s about it when it comes to government, except when it goes against that belief.

And after I had left that faith, before I really took on the seven laws, there was a growing antagonism between me and the politicians and their lackeys, be they the police or the army or whatever. Watching internet videos meant that I was seeing more of the government’s treatment of people, the police’s handling of the “citizen.” I was seeing people not only oppose the police but also the legitimacy of the government itself for various reasons. A slightly indifferent disregard to government became suspicious distaste of the system I lived under.

Then I met the seven laws!

The seven laws was not some pie-in-the-sky personal lifestyle. It was not simply an individual’s way to get “closer to God.” It was not about finding some group to worship with. The first law was not against idolatry. It was Justice! It was about how justice should be meted on this world in our courts. It was a statement about how society itself, the individuals within it, should look upon upholding correct laws, God-given laws. I was shown how each person in a community would be responsible for his neighbour, to be knowledgeable enough in God’s law to know when a crime took place and to act upon it for the sake of justice.

Mixed in with this, I had read a work of Lysander Spooner called “No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority,” “The Most Dangerous Superstition” by Larken Rose, “Adventures in Legal Land” by Marc Stevens, “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat, “A Discourse on Voluntary Servitude” by Etienne de La Boetie, and “I Must Speak Out – The Voluntaryist” by Carl Watner. I listened to, with both laughter and shock, a playlist of Marc Stevens calling attorney after attorney, IRS agent after police officer, around America and then the rest of the world asking for evidence that the laws of the government applies to people with answers ranging from an irrational faith (“I don’t need evidence”) to arrogance (“it applies because I said so”), but nothing of any value (

After embracing the seven laws and reading these texts, my view of government had settled on pure opposition. On the seven law side, the governments in all lands, including the State of Israel, had enacted laws that worked in complete opposition to humanity’s most basic divine mandates. Although some were teaching that the governments had partially fulfilled the law of Justice, it seemed to me that the governments had fundamentally betrayed our core laws.

On the “political”/moral/rational side … how can I put this? …

All governments were rackets, mafias or gangsters with no innate authority, with no legitimate source of authority. As one author put it, they are a bunch of murderers, liars, thieves and robbers; and what’s worse is that their agents and supporters will proclaim that their immorality and theft is a kindness.

What’s worse is that Torah-observant Jews, so called “noahides”, all sorts of otherwise good people defend such a abject monstrosity!

I think of certain people who claim to have embraced the seven laws, yet compare them to sharia law in comparison to the blessed constitution of the “the founding fathers.” The founding fathers? Just another set of humans, long dead, with no prophetic connection to the divine, who, despite the warning from others in their time, crafted a document of no innate worth but which enabled the creation and growth of a huge government which gave itself authority over so many aspects of a person’s life?

Again, the amount of people part of the religious group called “noahides” who still revere such a seven-laws-rejecting monster as their national government, it’s not just shocking; it’s appalling.

There are some that tell me I have an obligation from God to submit to government robbery (“pay taxes”) and an obligation to obey the ruling class. They try to tie this apparent obligation to our law of Justice. There is also a Jewish command not to curse the rulers (Exodus 22:27; Koheleth 10:20 – commentators like Sforno and Chizkuni say Exodus 22:27 refers to “legitimate rulers”) and a Jewish principle that “the law of the state is law” and some say this somehow applies to Gentiles too.

Firstly, I’m glad this is not one of the seven core laws for Gentiles, that there is no part of the seven laws that clearly states this as a law with a capital offence, therefore it’s not one of the core laws. The Jewish laws are for Jews not Gentiles. So on that level, I’m at ease. Seeing the amount of death, robbery, killing, injustice and corruption performed by government, it becomes unrealistic not to wish the total decimation of these “leaders.”

My current relationship with the dictators and their dictates is that of a robber and his victim: Any compliance is either a coincidence with my actual morality or under threat of harm or death. And outside of the robbers’ reach, I’ll do what I can to protect myself and my property from them. I have no moral or logical compulsion to obey their dictates out of some belief that they actually have authority over me.

I’ve heard it said that it’s important to comply with such people, with the state, for the sake of societal stability, that overt rebellion to the political parasite class could lead to anarchy … Wait, I don’t mean “anarchy,” as that just means “no rulers.” I mean chaos and unrestrained immorality.

I wonder, with such reasoning, whether “restrained” but guaranteed injustice, having one top dog that will be unjust and having armies to enforce and spread such injustice, is better than “unrestrained” uncertainty. Ah, it is said that without some government, even an evil one, people will tear each other apart. Well, I guess it’s better for one group to tear its victims apart (that’s what government is good at and generally tends to do) than for the individuals to tear each other apart … NOT!

The idea that the law of the state is law does not imply that the law of the state is the law of God, and that to disobey the law of a legislator is to disobey God.

In fact, that runs into a lie I came across.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. (The Declaration of Independence)

I’m ignoring the first lie in this document that states that this is “the unanimous declaration of the 13 united states of America” (as if all the individuals in those states actually agreed to this, much less declared it).

It’s interesting how somehow the forgers of this document claims it self-evident that “the Creator”, who doesn’t appear to have spoken to those men, gave humans certain “rights”, yet people the world over seem to be puzzled over what these rights were. The concept of rights, a word for that thing, isn’t even in the Jewish Bible. There’s no explicit word of God talking about “rights.” And different nations, wait, no, wrong word. Different politicians make up different lists of what these “rights” are, many times assuming their existence.

The Jewish Bible speaks in terms of command, obligation, with rights being nowhere spoken of.

I can already see it in the minds of some, “oooh, but David, those obligations protect our rights.” Unfortunately such a soul has presumed the existence of rights. If they don’t exist in the first place, then what’s being protected? Nothing except the well-being of a person. The person who’ll bring up the idea of the Torah protecting rights normally has his or her nation’s version of rights in mind or some subjective notion of what they’re supposed to be, believing they have some divine source or objective truth, even though the people who created and made up these “rights” were not prophets, getting no word from God.

The fact is that I currently see no going back: I’ve rejected the idea of any government in this day and age having any authority. The idea of humans with no authority granting another set of humans “authority” that the first group of humans didn’t have is not just laughable, it’s totally ludicrous. And having learnt of its brutal history, and having been made aware of its roots in nothing but something worse than christian faith, I’m not sure I could ever grow to think much of that beast. Fictions, such as “the social contract”, “consent of the governed”, and “rule of law”, are fundamentally lies.

Now whether my conclusions are going to have irreconcilable differences with the core seven laws, especially Dinim or not is yet to be seen. I can only wait and see. Judging by the fact that some of my rejection comes from governments’ undermining of the seven laws, maybe there’s no conflict.




  1. Hrvatski Noahid

    Your father sounds like a great man. It must be wonderful to have a good father. A Torah theocracy is the only lawful government.

    • HRV, he sure is a great man and a good father. I deeply regret my sins against that man. One of the many self-inflicted wounds I can’t fully recover from. I can’t disagree with your description of the only lawful government.

  2. Hrvatski Noahid

    There is no blemish of sin that cannot be washed away, no spiritual wound that cannot be healed.

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