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ADBC: 06 – Humanity is fundamentally corrupt?

So I continue this discussion with my brother. He responded to my last questions about freedom and the purpose of publicised sports which you can find here. His answer concerning freedom is not simple. In fact, I don’t think any of his answers are simple. But I think he makes a decent case that there are two types of freedom, one which may not exist, but another that, I think, does exist. In my own words, absolute freedom cannot exist, but relative freedom does. Being totally unfettered can never exist as there are always limitations. But being freed from a situation can exist. That’s what I get from it. So a follow-up question would be:

Bro, am I understanding you correctly regarding this point?

He also goes into both sport in general and then publicised sport. My question was about just the publicised version, but he still provides thought-provoking content.

He, in turn, asked me the following.

Q – The human condition is fundamentally corrupt and cannot be redeemed. Do you agree or disagree? Explain the reason(s) for your response.

So I disagree. This to me is a necessity based on my position about the creation of man. I firmly accept the books of Moses as factual, including the creation recorded in Bereshit (“Genesis”). Yes, in six literal days God created the heavens and the earth and the things within them. On the sixth day, he said that man would be made in his image, which refers to some element that reflects invisible divinity. For me, that simple fact means that on a fundamental level, man is not corrupt and can be redeemed because of that element.

Another reason I am convinced that the human condition isn’t fundamentally corrupt and irredeemable is that God continues to communicate to man, guiding his steps through the seven laws for humanity and the body of Jewish law given at Sinai, through the various messages I believe he has given to humanity and the prophecy he’s given to Israel. That contradicts the notion of man being irredeemable or fundamentally corrupt.

So from creation and continued divine communication and guidance, I believe it should be plain that the man is not fundamentally corrupt or irredeemable.

But the need for divine communication is a sign that there is a “flaw” in humanity. I don’t believe that man was made perfect. I think truth and God have been hidden so as to give us choice and hence we can make the wrong choice. Because the divine-reflecting element is only a part of man and a lot of him is made in the same way as the animal, from dirt, then we can be drawn after animalistic or base desires and drives. And if it takes time and effort to find what is hidden, then it is easier, much easier, to ignore it or just not search. This is a world of challenge. That means a lot. I do think there is an element in people that allows them to see deeper, which is why some do, even without clear scriptural guidance. But there is an element in man that makes him like a brute beast which is why, as I’ve recently realised, many people just want to be led and to follow, and they tend to follow crap.

My utter disillusionment with the human race is not based on their nature, their inherent characteristics that takes more of a philosophical undertaking, but what those around me seem to do. I deal more with perceived actions, the actions and statements I perceive, than fundamentals. That’s a bit like how I know that murderers are made in the image of God, but that doesn’t mean I think anything of them or have hopes about them. I know humans have the potential for good, but I see too many beasts.

Next question.

Q – What is your definition of beauty and what do you consider fits that definition?

My definition? Not the dictionary definition. Ok, let me see what this tired head of mine comes up with.

I think beauty refers to something attractive about a person, referring to characteristics that draws other people. There may be something subjective about this quality.

I think there is physical beauty and a deeper beauty. But I’ll give some things I’ve experienced that I would call “full of beauty” or “beautiful.” Maybe I’ll talk about some things that are NOT beautiful.

The first things that comes to mind when I think of beautiful things are eyes. I remember looking deeply into some hazel eyes that had streaks of green. Those eyes had a depth to them that, although my mind knows them to be just superficial, drew me in. The face that stared back at me was warm and welcoming, a slight smile, and those eyes that seemed to look into my eyes as I look into it. It’s the sort of beauty that made me sigh, something bitter-sweet. Unfortunately, now it only is bitter, but it was beautiful to me.

But I’ve seen other beautiful eyes, sometimes blue, sometimes dark brown, but they were always deep. But seeing such things are like seeing a comet in the night sky in a brightly-lit city. Rare! Who the hell would let me gaze like that? No one! Not even my wife. When my eyes want to gorge on something like that, it’s a complete no-no. And there’s nothing sexual to it either.

I don’t call my children beautiful. At all! That’s not to say I don’t have positive feelings towards them. But I wouldn’t use the word “beautiful” for them.

I find certain instruments to be beautiful, like a tiger-coloured guitar. Like this,

from gettyimages.com

I’ve never touched such a beauty before. I would love to, but, alas …

Some bass guitars also catch my eye.

I think make-up, the sort of make-up women wear, normally destroys beauty, makes it chalky and cloudy, and clown-like. Also stupidity is an uglifier. But connecting on a deep level with someone, through conversation and exchange, to see that this person is a good and insightful person, that’s beautiful.

I think God, my conception of him, is beautiful. The sort of beauty I enjoy is not the thing that makes me smile. My face can be most serious when I experience it, pensive. It’s the sort of thing that makes me deeply sigh as if longing for something. The common theme I’m getting from these things I find to be beautiful is that I can get lost in them, submerged. I remember sitting on that bed, surrounded with my books – bibles, Hebrew dictionaries – going through the book of Bereshit, finding out some wonderful stuff, deep. My wife would think I was depressed when she’d see me in such study and there would be no sign of a smile on my face. But I was lost in something truly beautiful. I don’t smile when I’m in that.

Also, when I just think about the beyond-nature of God, the being unfathomable, surrounded by the deepest darkness. Yet he provides truths that I would be happy to drown in, to totally lose myself in.

I’ll stop there.

Here are my questions for you.

Do you know the meaning and purpose, both general and specific, of your life? If you do, what was your path to finding it? If not, why not? Does it matter to you? And what hope do you have to find it?

Is it proper and correct to love the sinner but hate the sin? If so, why? If not, why not?

Thanks, B.

By hesedyahu

I'm a gentile living in UK, a person who has chosen to take upon himself the responsibility God has given to all gentiles. God is the greatest aspect of my life and He has blessed me with a family.

I used to be a christian, but I learnt the errors of my ways.

I love music. I love to play it on the instruments I can play, I love to close my eyes and feel the groove of it. I could call myself a singer and a songwriter ... And that would be accurate.

What else is there?

2 replies on “ADBC: 06 – Humanity is fundamentally corrupt?”

One is obligated to differentiate between people who sin between themselves and God, and do little or no harm to others, versus extremely evil people who cause harm to society and cannot be corrected through any conventional means, such as bringing them to justice or a justified rebuke from the community and its leaders. Those types of evildoers should be hated by as many people as possible, in order that everyone will learn to stay distant from them and from their evil actions.

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